Kyle Peche: throughout most of my life, even though I looked pretty healthy from the outside, I was always feeling not quite not very present, very anxious. all of a sudden I started with terrible digestive issues where I was having a bowel movement once a week and I couldn't tolerate any foods all of a sudden. everything I ate made my brain just feel like someone poured pancake syrup all over it. The months that followed, everything really just started to spiral out of control and I couldn't live a normal life anymore. it was an immense amount of suffering and several years of a lot of loneliness. what finally gave me a little bit of hope actually created my first taste of health for the first time in my life was exploring detoxification.
Aubree Felderhoff: Welcome to Mold Free Mom, where we cut the confusion and break down what it really takes to heal from mold illness. Whether you're dealing with unexplained symptoms and no real answers, or you know mold is your problem, you've done everything right, and yet you're still not better. This podcast is for you. I'm Aubree, and I spent 12 years struggling with mold toxicity. before finally learning why nothing was working. Mold wasn't my only problem. Not knowing how to heal from it was. This is where guessing ends and real healing begins. Let's get started. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Welcome back to another episode of Mold Free Mom. And I am very excited to share our guests with you today. I have Kyle and Kyle Peche, I said that right, I think, started at the age of 18, the picture of health, and then it completely collapsed. And instead of the youthful energy and resilience that you would expect from an 18 year old, he developed severe brain fog, fatigue, depersonalization, panic attacks, food intolerances, digestive issues, joint pain, skin rations, and dozens of other symptoms. That's a lot. All of that changed when he discovered and mineral balancing. And after completely recovering, he was left with a burning passion to ones that so many other programs had failed. So very similar to me, I'm excited to get to know you. Welcome, Kyle.
Kyle: It's a to be here. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... So I would love to dig a little bit more into that was quite a list of symptoms that I just read. And I know a lot of my listeners share some, if not all of them, but can you tell us a little bit more about your story and death? I mean, starting at age 18 to have all of that going on, I'm sure it didn't start that way, but what happened and how did you finally figure out what was going on?
Kyle: Sure, yeah. Well, my story kind of happened similar to so many others where it was gradually and then all at once, right? So throughout most of my life, even though I looked pretty healthy from the outside, I was always kind of feeling not quite right, of derealized, not very present, very anxious. I slept a lot. I'd sleep like 14 hours a day, There was just something off, But I was still able to perform and be an athlete in high school. And then... At it was a big emotional stressor that really just was the straw that broke the camel's back. And so all of a sudden I started with terrible digestive issues where I was having a bowel movement once a week and I couldn't tolerate any foods all of a sudden. Everything I ate made me feel so anxious. I wanted to just jump out of my skin and everything I ate made my brain just feel like someone poured pancake syrup all over it. So nothing was working quite right. And ⁓ you know, The months that followed, everything really just started to spiral out of control and I couldn't live a normal life anymore. I had to withdraw from my friend groups. had to essentially put my life on pause, at least what I thought. I was about to go study to become a doctor. I was going to go ⁓ to college and go through the whole pre-med track. I still ended up getting through college somehow with my non-functional brain, but it was an immense amount of suffering and several years of a lot of loneliness. so I got obsessed with health pretty quickly when you're, when you're feeling that level of inner suffering and despair. you kind of, at least I did, got extremely obsessed with trying to figure out what was wrong with me. So I went down countless conventional medicine practitioners, which went exactly how you'd expect. Right. then I went to all the alternatives, you know, the traditional alternatives like Ayurveda, traditional Chinese medicine, Western herbalism, And then it just, nothing was really working. went through functional medicine, countless functional medicine practitioners. went through naturopaths like crazy. A lot of health coaches tried countless diets, all the extremes, right? I went the full spectrum of extremes from carnivore to keto to, you know, one meal a day protocols to long-term fasting to a starch-based diet and every weird thing in between. Nothing really gave me proper relief except really when I fasted. If I didn't eat for days at a time, I'd get a little mental clarity back. Of course, probably about six figures in ⁓ protocols and supplements and a lot of, you know, time and sanity gone. That's invaluable. You can't put a price tag on that. But what finally gave me a little bit of hope actually created ⁓ my first taste of health for the first time in my life was exploring detoxification. ⁓ was taught by another detox coach many, many years ago. And it was a lot of the basics, Some of the binders, some liver stuff, right? And it just gave me enough hope to know that there was something really here with the whole toxin issue. Little did I know though that there was a lot more to learn. And as I went and explored other avenues of detoxification, like parasite cleansing and aggressive antifungals and chelation protocols, it made me significantly worse. definitely even worse than at my worst before exploring all that, which was unfortunate, but I had to learn those lessons. And the real next breakthrough was exploring mineral balancing, Which is a science based on hair analysis, which I'm happy to get into in a bit, which allowed me to detach from all these, you know, aggressive killing and cleansing protocols and instead work on rebuilding myself from the ground up. given my body the resources to be able to heal so it could heal itself. And that was really where everything started to turn around. That's after a few months of that, was able to get back into a normal life and working and just doing basic normal people things. But little did I know, then restacking some of the detoxification protocols on top of it in the proper order, which took me a long time to learn, then allowed me to rise to a health I had never realized was even possible, I'd never realized that I didn't know what health was my entire life. I didn't know what it was like to be a normal, toxin-free human with a sharp, fast working brain and not constant terror and panic. And I got to discover all that just with proper detox, proper remineralization and doing everything in the right order. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... it ended up being a blessing, but it's hard to say that right in the moment. And I so relate to your story. I too, and I don't know if you're like this, but I would assume you are just by what you said. I tend to be a type A, go getter type personality. I think a lot of us that suffer with these symptoms tend to be that way. And so we often will go headstrong in trying to find out what's wrong. We want to reclaim our life. We want to get back on track and we just are so aggrieved. aggressive on the detox and the killing and we do it out of order. That's a big thing that I messed up on. sounds like maybe you did too. And then we end up feeling worse and we get more desperate and more despaired. So I didn't hear, and maybe there isn't, but did you ever get a diagnosis of what the cause of all of this was? Was it just toxicity? Was it a lot of things? Did you have mold? Was it parasites? What was it that was the end result of what this is? causing at an 18 year old, mean, an 18 year old boy should not have experienced that, right?
Kyle: Yeah, yeah. Well, all of the above really. ⁓ Conventional medicine, really all my labs turned out fine and they just gave me, very standard blanket diagnosis, right? But as I explored functional medicine and naturopathic medicine, then, you know, there was heavy metals involved. There was mold involved. There was pesticide toxicity involved. There was parasites involved. There was Lyme bugs involved as well. And I began to then see everything a little differently. I really started to detach myself from Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yeah.
Kyle: all the labels, right? Because each label really can pull you into a deep pocket of fear and limiting beliefs that revolve around this whole community. And so I just started to see it as, okay, you my body's toxic and depleted, and these labels are more of a result of ⁓ a bad terrain, So I started to see it that way. I could then approach healing in a lot less fear manner, instead a lot more giving myself love manner. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... sure that you were extremely overwhelmed in the beginning of hearing all of the different things that could be going on and recognizing, I know for me, when I discovered first mold, well, actually that was like 25th that I discovered mold, but parasites and heavy metals and Lyme, and you have all these different diagnoses. How did you unravel and deal with that overwhelm of so many things to know what to tackle? first, it can be incredibly paralyzing and scary.
Kyle: Yeah. Well, you know, back then, I mean, this was so many years ago, I don't think that health space had evolved as much as it is now. It's a really incredible time. As weird as it sounds, it's an incredible time to be sick because there's so many amazing practitioners, you know, like yourself, that are doing real work in the correct order and have countless stories of people actually being able to get out of really dark spaces. So back then for me, I really had to do a kind of just try everything and figure it out. And I also do think there's a lot of fear comes from ignorance, right? Not really fully understanding the nuances within an issue. And so, you you could say like, ⁓ well someone has Lyme bugs, And you see that on the testing, but you know, Dr. Marco Ruggiero, for example, with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt has done some very interesting testing using special forms of ultrasound to find Lyme bugs in a big portion of the population, right? And then it becomes a little more nuanced. Well, like why do so many people have Lyme bugs in their testing, but only a percentage of them actually get really sick and debilitated. And then we start exploring more, well, it has to do with a person's, know, mineral levels, their aluminum burden, their glyphosate burden, their EMF exposure, their mental, emotional history. And so of course, you know, I didn't learn that at first. When I first heard Lyme, I got completely overwhelmed by it. But with enough time, enough information, I was able to really understand it and disarm all the fear around it. But yeah, it definitely took some time to get over all that. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yeah, absolutely. So why do you think jumping straight into detox so often backfires for people? And what do you think people actually need? If you could do it again, what would you have done first rather than just jumping straight into that detox phase?
Kyle: Yeah, great question. it's all about right thing at the right time. I mean, you could you could do something that can create the most incredible breakthroughs just like change your life. But you do it prematurely or without the right prep and it can completely destroy you and send you backwards. So what I really realized I needed to do first was I needed to give my body the resources to heal. Okay. And that's a lot of mineral balancing and remineralization and repairing biochemistry such that again, my body has enough energy to actually succeed in a healing attempt. Alongside that, properly prepare my drainage pathways, right? So ⁓ heal the gut, repair the gut lining, clean out pesticides from the gut so I can actually better absorb my minerals and my nutrients as well. And then ⁓ repair the liver as well. ⁓ So the liver... You know, I didn't really explore it enough early on. I only did a little milk thistle here and there, and it gave me a little relief. Did I think of coffee enema once, and that was epic experience my first time. But I didn't realize there was ⁓ so much more to healing the liver and so much more benefit to be gained. And also I definitely underestimated the degree of stagnation my liver had, judging by the amount of benefits I had from proper liver flushing and different liver healing protocols that came later. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yes.
Kyle: So ⁓ preparing essentially drainage, how to talk to this flow from the cells all the way out to the colon, bringing enough resources in definitely some early important steps and then stabilizing my nervous system as well. I didn't realize that me constantly being in fight or flight or constantly having my limbic system be all wacky thinking, you know, I'm unsafe and couldn't tolerate anything. What actually make me not tolerate anything. So ⁓ putting a lot more energy into stabilizing. my nervous system as well. Another big thing too that I realized a lot later was I had to stabilize my mast cells. So mast cells for anyone who doesn't know, it's just essentially this branch of the immune system that tends to be very overreactive and chronic illness and tends to release a lot of histamine. And when mast cells are out of control, people become hyper reactive to everything, right? To foods, to supplements, to chemicals, to just the environment. And it becomes very difficult to actually progress in a detox program. And so I, you know, I wish I would have known about that earlier, cause that would have saved me a lot of headache, stabilizing my mast cells early on. And then you can get into all the fancy stuff later, right? Under guidance of a practitioner, like the more parasite work or the mold cleansing work or the viral work or the metal detox work. But for me, at least that's how I see health now, right? You got to really prep the terrain properly before getting into anything more aggressive. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, if your body is not ready, and I see it all the time, people flooding their body trying to detox and kill because they just want to feel better. But if your body can't handle the load, it's going nowhere except backwards until you open the drainage pathways, you calm the nervous system, you start working on your liver, which is usually almost always clogged with mold. There's a lot that goes into it that's prep phase. And I've been guilty myself of fast forwarding and then… causing myself a lot longer recovery than I should have. So I wanna circle back a little bit on mast cells. And I wanna know when you said, calming the mast cells, like what does that look like for you with the people you work with?
Kyle: Yeah. So interestingly, there is a relationship between the autonomic nervous system. So our balance between fight or flight and rest and digest and mass cells as well. So again, I would go back to good nervous system work. For me, what was really profound was a regular breath work and meditation practices, different tapping and toning practices as well. It's similar to EFT, but also doing like open mouth vocalizations. And there's so many others out there like Primal Trust is fantastic and the Gupta program. And then, you know, there's so many somatic practitioners as well that can really help uncouple the stress responses, you know, from your nervous system so you can actually feel at ease. And then that definitely has a rippling effect into the mast cells I've noticed as well. For me, a lot of the mast cell stabilizers were ⁓ herbal or bioflavonoids. So things like quercetin, rutin, luteolin, bromelain, There's countless others, like even just a food-based vitamin C. Many products I like like Hista-Aid by Quicksilver or Histamine Halt, right? I forgot the producer of that supplement, but it's a really good one. find of course DAO as well, the enzyme that actually helps break down excess histamine can be very helpful for some people as well. Some people may have such a severe mast cell situation that they may need pharmaceuticals. I've seen that every now and again. And you know, that is my, that is my time to refer out to help people get what they need. But I have seen very good things with tools like ketatophin, for example, can really help get everything under control and put the fire out so that they can start actually tolerating things. The other thing too, is that healing the gut, mean, most of our mast cells are in our gut. And healing the gut can make a big difference in terms of reducing systemic reactivity and mast cell activity as well. And so I think those two steps definitely go hand in hand, like healing the gut and calming down the mast cells. I do want to make a point here, calming down the mast cells again, it's not a root cause, the house is on fire, You need to put out the fire to get to the gas leak, You don't get to the gas leak while the house is still on fire. You want to get everything calmed down so you can actually get and fix what's going on. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... That's a great analogy that I haven't heard before. But yeah, you're absolutely right. there are more of a symptom of the problem. They're not the root cause, but you can't get to the root cause when the fire is going. So I love that idea of putting out the fire first before getting to the gas leak. So I want to dig in a little bit into what you do with the mineral side of things. And I know that you are extremely knowledgeable there and that that was super helpful for you. So can you explain?
Kyle: Mm. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... a little bit about that piece of the puzzle.
Kyle: Sure, so one of the things I tried to do was I had tried to remineralize on my own, without proper guidance. And I didn't realize that there's a lot of subtleties and nuances to actually remineralizing a person quickly and not creating other imbalances, okay? Now, ⁓ mineral balancing is really focused on that. It's not just about mineral replenishment. It's about actually bringing balance into the mineral system and biochemistry. in a way that is sustainable and maximizes energy without creating other problems. So this is based off hair tissue mineral analysis. So it's just a small little sample of hair that then shows you a beautiful breakdown into many different minerals and heavy metals, but it's a lot more than just, well, we need to supplement what's low, right? Or avoid what is high. That is actually the very ⁓ incorrect way to use hair analysis in my opinion. Instead, there is a mountain of data and research that's been compiled by Dr. Paul Leck and his team of researchers over about 60 years, finding different states of health and disease correlated with the hair analysis. And what he found is that there is a whole mineral network of interrelationships. that needs to be studied. And when you apply it properly, you can get people to closer to what's called like an ideal range, an ideal zone, where energy production is optimized, cellular health is optimized, and then their body is able to heal itself. Okay. So in a nutshell, it's probably the fastest and most precise way I have found so far to be able to rebuild a person from the ground up, to give them the highest chance, the highest likelihood that they'll succeed. in a complementary detox protocol. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Can you give me an example of what it looks like to balance as opposed to, because I would look at a sample and say, ⁓ she's low in magnesium. She needs magnesium. And then we've got a counterbalance. What does it mean to look at it more in the balancing aspect?
Kyle: For sure. So one example, is we can often see high calcium magnesium in a hair, sometimes even off the charts. And ⁓ often that'll be interpreted as, okay, well, they have way too much calcium magnesium. We need to avoid that. And actually ⁓ that indicates often calcium and magnesium loss, right? These nutrients are actually precipitating in the tissues and aren't being used properly. So it also often indicates bio unavailability where Perhaps the adrenal glands and the thyroid gland is not working optimally to be able to keep calcium magnesium in solution and make it bioavailable. So then you have an issue of actual deficiency and not being able to use what's there and it shows up high on the hair test, right? And so the solution isn't to avoid it. Solution is actually to supplement it in that case. Another example is, people supplementing zinc. Right. That's, that's all the rage these days. And zinc is absolutely very important. But, ⁓ what we find with mineral balancing is it's highly dependent on what's called the sodium to potassium ratio. this has a lot to do with, ⁓ adrenal function, cellular health, and even a person's mental and emotional disposition, right? How optimistic and uplifted are they or how, ⁓ kind of stuck do they feel? It's very bizarre, but it pans out very consistently with that ratio. And what we find is that if that ratio is too low, so sodium relative to potassium is too low, taking more zinc will actually tank that ratio further, which can then create other imbalances in terms of ⁓ producing enough energy or kidney and liver function as well. But if a person has a high sodium potassium ratio, then it's indicated to give higher amounts of zinc. And usually that is a very well tolerated. And it's interesting too, because that ratio can shift over time. And so, zinc could be given at a certain dose and the client could be doing really well with it. Four to five months later, they stopped tolerating it. And then we do a hair retest and we see, well the ratio has shifted and now we actually need a different blend of nutrients like B6, copper, manganese, zinc to bring that ratio back up, So a lot of nuances here, but it's also, I think, pretty straightforward once you get it. And... ⁓ Again, there's a lot of great advantages here because we don't want to accidentally create other mineral imbalances by trying to do the right thing here. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Sure. So is there ever an instance? I feel like listening, my hair is always going to have a problem. But how would you know that everything is balanced? Because surely there's still stuff showing up in this test, right? So how do you know that it's balanced?
Kyle: So we have Dr. Pollack found an ideal range or ideal ratio level after countless hair tests, think millions of hair tests. And he just found that the healthier people were, the closer they were to that ideal range, that ideal ratio, And ⁓ pretty much no one today is gonna show up as what's called like balanced oxidation or have ideal ratios across the board. It's extremely rare. And sometimes even if they do, It could actually be perked up artificially by heavy metals underneath. So there's this whole idea too of ionic mimicry where we can allow certain heavy metals into enzyme binding sites where ⁓ we have deficiencies of zinc, for example, or selenium. We instead allow things like cadmium or arsenic into those same enzymes. They may function nowhere near as good as having the preferred mineral, but they'll still function somewhat, right? And so that can create actually perked up biochemistry that can look nice on the top. But when you actually start getting the cadmium and arsenic out, then things move around and you actually get a better reflection of what a person's actual oxidation rate is or sodium potassium ratio is, for example. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... What's the benefit of doing the hair mineral analysis compared to blood work?
Kyle: That's a really good question. So blood work is kind of like the highway, right? I mean, you're only going to really see things in transit for the most part. then it's often very ⁓ subject to quick changes in a person's state or environment. So for example, if a person gets an exposure to something, it may only stay in the blood for a few days before it actually deposits in the tissue. But if they get an exposure to something, it'll stay in the hair for several months. Right. Or we can also see that if a person has a very stressful situation, they can actually have ⁓ distortions in their, in their inflammation markers on blood work, where we'll instead get like a more zoomed out picture with hair analysis over four to five months about chemistry. That one event won't really often do too much per se. So there's definitely advantages to having both. And I use both of my practice as needed. I just find that With hair analysis, again, you get more of a medium term picture of what's going on and you also catch a lot of things that blood work can miss, right? So for example, one thing that hair analysis is really good at is seeing a person's detox capacity, right? We do that with different patterns, right? There's different kidney stress patterns. For example, if potassium goes off the charts, we tend to know that's an issue with electrolyte regulation that's often due to some sort of heavy metal in the kidneys. But there's also another pattern that's known as poor eliminators. where a body actually simply does not have the capacity to eliminate these certain toxins in question. And what ends up happening is that they show up extremely, extremely low on a hair test, but below a certain threshold, we actually know that there's a good amount stored in the tissues and the body's just unable to excrete it. And consistently, when we see it below that threshold and what's called the poor eliminator range, if you put them on a good mineral and detox program, eventually that very heavy metal will come up in very high amounts in the hair. Right? So, ⁓ and that's, that's something that you won't be able to catch with blood work. Right? So, there's other things too, like, ⁓ with the, there's a thyroid ratio actually on the hair test. and that's simply due to the thyroid hormone having influences on both calcium and potassium levels. And so we actually got to see a bit more of the cellular effect of thyroid hormone, which is dependent on things like cell membrane permeability rather than just the raw. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... interesting. Sure.
Kyle: thyroid hormone levels. And so I actually find it a great way to properly fully assess the thyroid is to have both blood markers for the thyroid and to see the hair analysis. Because then you actually get to see how much thyroid hormone is there and you also get to see is it actually affecting the cells in the correct ways. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Wow, that's fascinating. going back to that high work thyroid loop, if you are someone that maybe you have the nutrients in your body, what you were saying earlier, but you're not processing, your body's not able to utilize them. What do you do in that situation? Like why would your body not be utilizing these minerals and how do you, I guess, feed it what it needs to where it can be utilized, especially if you've got low thyroid function or some other things that are impacting that.
Kyle: A perfect example of that in one of the one of the minerals that really helps give mineral balancing its name mineral balancing is the ⁓ nutrient mineral copper. It's a very fascinating mineral that's controversial for some reason because different ⁓ health camps look at it as everyone has copper toxicity. Everyone has copper deficiency. Everyone has copper imbalance, definitely somewhere in between there. But with ⁓ mineral balancing, what we find is that most people have a ⁓ dysregulation of their copper, right? It's not necessarily that they're deficient or have excess, right? And so copper is an extremely important mineral, very important for energy production, very important for proper brain function, very important for the immune system and handling of fungal overgrowths, right? And when it gets out of balance, then we can get a lot of these, ⁓ this negative sides of it, right? Where it can contribute to a lot of anxiety, it can contribute to connective tissue issues. can contribute to fungal overgrowths, right? And so then it becomes, well, why is the copper not being properly regulated? And often it's due to ⁓ insufficient copper binding proteins being produced like metallothionein or ceruleplasmin. And that is heavily dependent on good adrenal function and liver function. And so then the mineral balancing approach then is to look at the adrenal ratio and the oxidation rate, which is dependent on the adrenal glands as well. and to fix that with the right vitamins, minerals, and dietary changes. And what that leads to is the adrenal glands functioning optimally, which then leads to ⁓ copper being better regulated. And then we start to see copper levels actually rise on the hair test and get to ideal range. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Wow, that is fascinating. Okay. So I want to know a little bit more about if you are working with someone that has mold toxicity and mold tends to affect every system in the body, gut, minerals, thyroid, adrenal, all of the above, right? And if I'm someone that's listening and going, yeah, I have all of the things that you just said. I don't know where to start because I start with one thing and then it causes a, you that was me. I started with one thing and then it causes this problem over here and then it causes this toxicity issue over here and it's like this chain reaction. Where do you start when all of this is out of function? You're feeling terrible, your brain is a mess, you you can't think. Where do you start when you're in mold toxicity, which is a lot of my listeners, or just mystery, chronic illness, and all of it is out of whack? and you don't, you're scared to make a move because you know the move is going to cause more problems downstream. I know you've lived that life too and I have too. So what would you recommend to someone in that particular situation?
Kyle: Yeah. So, well, I want to mention something here in a broader sense. ⁓ know, hypersensitivity or that state where you feel like, know, you could, any move you make is going to create a reaction or like make you go backwards is kind of an epidemic right now. And that's just because everyone's toxin bucket for the most part is really either about to over overflow or already overflowing. so preliminary steps for someone in that situation, may not even involve supplements. It may first involve nervous system regulation, limbic system work, getting them to feel safe in their body, right? Changing the environment as well. When it comes to mold in particular, if you have an ongoing mold situation, I don't know, like if you agree with me on this or not, but I do believe that if a person has an ongoing mold exposure that's severe at home, it absolutely needs to get remediated. Sometimes even a person needs to move, which is, know, people don't like to hear that, especially if they're feeling really sick. But if it's a very bad mold issue, you might need to. So I do highly recommend people, you know, contact a professional to get it properly tested as well and see what you're actually dealing with and then remediate if needed. There is another thing too, there is the Wi-Fi component. So part of cleaning up the external environment, I believe is also producing your non-native electromagnetic field exposure. So these man-made electromagnetic fields that let's be real, weren't properly safety tested, right? And ⁓ we have some experiments to show that molds, both internal colonizations and external ones, under the presence of Wi-Fi, they detect Wi-Fi really as a threat and end up excreting hundreds of times more mycotoxins as a result. So if you can really get a good job of cleaning up the home environment, which could be like just turning off the Wi-Fi router at night, cleaning up dirty electricity, you know, maybe using a meter to see what smart devices are constantly emitting frequencies and you know, turning them off when not in use. You can also help reduce a lot of the mold burden, both internally and externally. Usually after that, okay, then I'm thinking we might need mast cell supporting gut healing. These people that are hypersensitive may not even be tolerating binders. I see that quite a lot. And so if that's the case, then we definitely want to look at stabilizing the system with mast cell support and healing the gut so they can start to better absorb their nutrients. and stop this ongoing inflammation cascade, right? And then after that, it's really, would best say it's, the goal number one is stability, okay? Get them to a place where they can start slowly tolerating things and then get gradual progress layered on top of that. I'm not a fan of protocols that create this wild roller coaster swinging, right? Cause that's what I experienced where I would get, you know, testing back and it's like, you have this pathogen in the gut and this colonization. So we have to go after them with nuclear weapons. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yeah.
Kyle: And it doesn't really pan out in my opinion. So it can look differently, but for each person, but generally the path that I may take them through would then involve proper binding, right? And then starting to remineralize them as well so that they can actually, again, have resources to properly heal and slowly kind of bring that spark back to them. And then working on drainage pathways, right? So gut. liver lymphatics, just helping all this backlog of mycotoxins start to get drained out of the body in a gentle way, right? I find with mold in particular, the liver in particular really needs a lot of love, because it's our main detox organ, but of course it's our main organ getting a lot of the mycotoxins out. And so, you know, even if we do like mold testing and we see like a lot of mold toxins coming out in the urine, For me at least, I interpret that as there's actually such an overflow of that particular mold toxin that the liver cannot handle it. And now it's going to a secondary elimination organ like the kidneys, Drainage, mast cell support, nervous system support, minerals, and then just good foundational lifestyle habits like good sleep habits and circadian rhythm habits and. and so much more can do a lot to get a person to a stable place. And then I find from stability into higher functioning to really getting into the higher realms of the human experience, I think is then where we can go a bit more direct against the pathogens. So big missing piece of the puzzle, which blew my mind when I learned about it many years ago, is this whole concept of what's called human endogenous retroviruses. So this is the research of Dr. Judy Mikovits and Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt has done a wonderful job of applying it and bringing it in a concrete way and a very easy way to understand. But really what it is is about 2 % of our genome is for coding proteins, right? And then, you know, we have understood that 98 % is junk DNA, although that's maybe debatable. Turns out that 8 % of our genome or our DNA is retroviruses. Right? So four times as much as our coding proteins is actually retroviruses. And so these are viruses that we have been exposed to through millions of years of evolution, and they have inserted themselves into a human's DNA and our bodies have a lot of effort and energy they put towards keeping them silenced and quiet, right? Such that they don't cause any issues. In our modern environment, A lot of these things like the pathogen load, the mercury load, the glyphosate load, the wifi load issues with methylation and acetylation then lead to a reactivation of these endogenous retroviruses. And what Dr. Judy Mikovits and Dr. Deidre Klinghardt have found is that in some cases, if a person is just failing with absolutely every single protocol, you can sometimes find that these retroviruses are overactive and keeping their bodies from being able to have a functioning immune system to handle the pathogens on their own. Okay. So it's a very interesting missing piece I've found that has cracked some really tough cases for me. And in this case, that's usually where I like to start. When we're talking about pathogens, it's about silencing the retroviruses, which honestly doesn't have to be too complicated. It can be things like broccoli sprouts or Chinese skull cap or melatonin, is a whole ⁓ fascinating rabbit hole in of itself. I don't know where you stand with melatonin, but I think it's absolutely mind blowing how much that one molecule that's understood to just be for sleep can actually do for repairing the immune system, detox pathways, healing ⁓ the brain and concussions and all sorts of other things. But it's also a fantastic antiretroviral and it can really help the immune system come back online. Alongside that too, there's another major thing that everyone's been exposed to past 2020, which is a certain virus that shall not be named, right? That has also created a lot of immune dysfunction for people, right? And so in fact, some doctors argue that it acts like a retrovirus as well, right? And so I'm often thinking, well, has a person had a significantly worse symptoms after 2020? Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yep.
Kyle: or after they got the virus or a certain medical procedure, then I'm also thinking about working on that for a person, which can involve things like systemic enzymes, melatonin, dandelion, and a few other things to help quiet that virus so the immune system can breathe again and better handle the infections. I find when I address that step first, then a lot of the other killing stuff that can be important in some cases later, is far better tolerated and you don't need to be anywhere near as aggressive. And often a lot of the symptoms from these other issues like parasites, molds, lime and such can get a lot quieter, I find. And so then at least within my system, I'm then going large to small with the bugs. So big parasites, which I'm sure your audience is pretty informed on this issue already, but. ⁓ Just a quick recap here, mean, anywhere there's toxicity in the environment, we live the most toxic times in human history, there's also generally pathogens, right? Especially parasites. There's a few studies to show that, right? Where, you know, polluted rivers, the more polluted the river, the more parasites the fish have in that river, right? And even more interestingly, those parasites themselves actually are like sponges for the toxins from the river. And so they have hundreds of times more heavy metals in the parasites than the fish themselves. And so the goal number one should still be to generally change the terrain and detoxify, but we should then kind of be looking at this parasite and pathogen issue a little differently than just like they're the bad guys, right? Still though, this means that it's a very common issue. once they're there, once they're stuck in a host, they do have to eventually get evicted, right? ⁓ I find it's like, ⁓ you you could have a garden that you haven't taken care of and the soil is really depleted and weak and all that grows there are competitor plants like weeds, And so what you actually wanna do is you want to rejuvenate the soil first, And then you want to pull the weeds when the time is right. And that makes space for healthy, beautiful new roses or oregano, whatever you're gonna grow, So back to the pathogen cleansing order though. ⁓ I do find that going large to small is very important because these bigger bugs like, you know, round worms and nematodes and incestodes and all sorts of tape worms and all weird things that I see come out of my clients on a regular basis. They actually can be, ⁓ life rafts for smaller bugs like candida, like molds, like viruses, like lime bugs. so. This can sometimes even explain where some people have done all the prep work properly and then they start going after a particular pathogen and they seem to just go in circles, right? This happens a lot with the Lyme community where they do a lot of the prep work properly and they just go after Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia, and it's just like playing whack-a-mole where like they quiet the symptoms of one and then the other one activates and then they quiet the symptoms of the other and then the same one comes up again. And I find a lot of that has to do with of course the retroviruses and you know, that other virus everyone was exposed to, but also a person's parasite load because that has, again, they're generally like life rafts for these buggers. And then with MI system, then we're really focusing on molds and fungi, which are definitely overgrown for a lot of reasons in people. So we can have the, you know, the actual colonizations from our environmental exposures, but ⁓ we can also just have overgrowth due to dysregulations and biochemistry like with copper, for example, or with iron or issues with adrenal function and thyroid function or heavy metal toxicity like mercury, cadmium and lead can also allow this fungi to overgrow. But once we've checked a lot of those boxes off, then I do find at least for me is a good time to start exploring that. I use ozonated oils, usually the risals. I find them fantastic and very well tolerated both for parasites and for molten fungi. And doing that, I've seen some incredible things in my practice. Usually we'll round it out with any lime bug stuff, ⁓ it's beautiful too because I've had quite a few cases where they came to me with severe Lyme disease and really all the prep work we did up to it, would actually get rid of the grand majority of their Lyme symptoms or gave them even a full recovery before even getting to the Lyme bugs directly, which again goes to show all the nuances with, you you can have many people testing for it. Many people are asymptomatic. Well, why is that percentage of people with the Lyme bugs symptomatic? So it has a lot to do with the terrain, other pathogen loads and the immune system and a mental, emotional history and so many more things. So, so yeah, I... That's kind of how I approach a lot of cases. I find it just fine. It's generally very well tolerated. Everyone's different though. Things definitely do move around as needed. and then alongside this, by the way, maybe I to mention, I find that mineral balancing is a fantastic backbone. Okay. Mineral balancing is like always going on at sometimes it's a greater focus. Other times it's ⁓ kind of taking a backseat, but, it always is important I think to be bringing in the good for the most part. especially when you're going through more aggressive detox attempts, you're gonna burn through a lot of your resources and nutrients more quickly. And you wanna make sure that your inner army is as well stocked up to actually handle the bad guys per se. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... my gosh. Okay. This has been so thorough. My head is spinning. I'm just, I'm taking it all in. So tell my listeners a little bit about how they can get in touch with you, Kyle, if they want to know more or have specific questions.
Kyle: Absolutely. So, ⁓ my website at JT mineral balancing.com have all sorts of free resources, their articles, ⁓ other long form podcasts I've done and YouTube videos and all sorts of stuff. try to just give away all this stuff for free so, check me out there. I'm also on Instagram. which is Kyle underscore Peche last name and Yeah, I'm gonna be pumping out a lot of new stuff in the coming year as well Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Yeah, absolutely. And I'll link all of your information in the show notes so my listeners can find you. But I just want to say thank you so much for coming on today. And I really enjoyed just learning from you, making a new friend. I really appreciate your time.
Kyle: Thank you so much. was a great pleasure. Aubree Felderhoff | Mold Fr... Thanks for tuning in today. If you're ready to stop managing symptoms and actually recover, my Mold Recovery Program walks you through every step of the process, from testing all the way to feeling like yourself again. It's the roadmap that I wish I had during my own 12-year journey with mold toxicity. And if you're not sure yet whether it's the right fit, that's exactly what the free discovery call is for. We'll talk through your story and figure out the next right steps together. Head over to moldfreemom.com to learn more or to book your free discovery call. See you there.
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